Jim or anybody else that might know

[louie]

What is the name of that little Creek Hope Diamond,Pichalocogringo, and myself did today. The one that come into the upper
Alseacan right above the roadside section?  BTW I highly recomond takin a portter/dog sitter with you. Pluma Blanco did great as a sherpa but I need to work on his Video skills

[TomRobey]

There are two rivers that join at the start of the roadside section.  They both look about the size of a creek.  The one closer to the road is the Río Atzalan and drains the town of the same name.  The other one that is farther from the road is the Río Alseseca.

- Tom Robey

[louie]

Thank you sir that run is a hoot and I felt right at home. It is lookin iffy on the Rio Oro for tomorrow the CaNIDIAN ARE SAYIN SOMETHING ABOUT THEIR VAn bein broke

[louie]

Tom: the Banana section of the Alseacan is above the roadside and that feeder creek named after the town no? The section below where the road crosses it is just class II and III till it hits the Filo Bobos, or have I been usin too much of the local argicultureal products? BTW my son runs the Green today in his creeker C1, he runs go left without scoutin it, does the notch into Gorrilla and then runs Sunshine from the top left eddy on a cross bow brace. I told him that shit was easy in a C1 when he does it in a openboat then I will be impressed. I hope he never does, in 20 years of runnin the narrowa of the Green I ain't never done Gorilla or sunshine

[TomRobey]

The section below where the road crosses it is just class II and III till it hits the Filo Bobos

The roadside section of the Río Alseseca is probably the easiest part.  The section below Puente Tablazos is very difficult.  There are a few drops that can be run and then walk back to the bridge but if you keep going it cliffs out with big waterfalls.  This part is one of the steepest.  The other is where the river turns back to the right just above a small tributary coming in from the left.  Much of this is just really hard to scout due to the terrain and vegetation.  One part that is accessible is Santuario Pezma.  Rafael and some of his friends have been running the drops there.  I occasionally hear rumors that so and so has run all of the Alseseca and sometimes that there is a video of the feat.  The Alseseca just below the road from Altotonga to Zapotitlán has a gradient of 1000ft/mile for about a kilometer.  I found it hard to even walk that gradient and it was smooth, shear walls with tight twisty turns and no visibility ahead and hardly wide enough for a kayak and certainly no room for dodging anything.  I would say that the name of the river changes at the right hand bend mentioned above.  I doubt that anyone has run all the Alseseca but certainly parts other than the section along the roadside have been run.  The geography in this area is just really very confusing and most people probably have no idea what they ran.

- Tom Robey

[louie]

OK so I guess that means as far as goin down river anymore I have just about done all I can, but lets talk about goin up stream. I have done that little tributary named after that town and all the way down to the bridge. The rest I need to do must be above where the Rio joins up with that small trib. Is that what a call the Banana section? Tomato falls how do I get to there?

[TomRobey]

Tomato falls how do I get to there?

From the end of the roadside section of the Alseseca (Puente Tablazos) you drive toward Tlapacoyan.  The next time Highway 131 crosses a river, the Cascada Tomata can be found just downstream.  Here the river is called the Río Tomata.  In fact it is the same river as the Río Alseseca and some people call the roadside section of the Alseseca the Río Tomata.  Since Mexicans did not travel along these rivers but encountered them as rivers in separate places they acquired different names.  It can get quite confusing.  Both names seem to be well accepted for their respective section of river.  Somewhere between Puente Tablazos and Cascada Tomata the name of the river changes.  Having spent a lot of time looking at the topographical maps, the logical place it would seem to change from one name to the other is where the river changes from heading northwest to northeast.  There is a steep valley coming in from the southwest that lines up with the northeast run and there likely is some water coming in from the river left through that valley at some point during the year.  Geographically that seems the only place where something changes so it makes some sense to say that the Río Alseseca flows into the Río Tomata at that point (and perhaps that tributary on the left is really just the Río Tomata).  After you have been there all the confusion makes sense since the place is confusing.

- Tom Robey